Comments on: The 6 Simplifications of Positive Psychology – The Hot Mess of Measuring Happiness https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/ Happiness: Backed by Science Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:36:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.3 By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-110500 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:46:49 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-110500 In reply to Wan.

I’m glad I was able to change your perspective!

Happiness is subjective because it is complex.

At the end of the day, we’re all humans. We’ve mostly got the same genetic code and the same basic wants, desires, and values (e.g. compare a human with another human, vs. a human vs a dog – in that perspective, us humans are fairly similar). But because happiness is complex, those basic desires and values get expressed and interpreted in slightly different ways, causing the subjectiveness.

But I think that with a deep enough understanding of happiness, it would no longer be subjective.

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By: Wan https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-110389 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:44:11 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-110389 This is deep.

I’ll need to reread this because this kind of post which is well-researched needs time to be digested. Happiness is subjective and after reading your post my conclusion is different – happiness is subjective and complex.

Thanks for the post, Amit.

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By: Ludvig Sunström https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-99523 Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:49:07 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-99523 In reply to Amit Amin.

GREAT points Amit.

I think length depends a lot on your target audience. But your target audience is hard to know until you’ve established yourself… So it’s a little bit like circular reasoning.

But in general. Yes short is better.

In the future we’ll be constantly hooked up to instant gratification by means of some mega-iPhone hologram type thing! 🙂

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-99112 Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:26:01 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-99112 In reply to Ludvig Sunström.

Comprehensive is the name of my game. Although I’m reconsidering – shorter seems to get more traffic.

Anyhow, you raise some interesting points Ludvig!

You raise the question of spread. Although the average person reports a 10% increase in life satisfaction for every doubling of income, there will be some who report a much smaller increase, and some who report a much larger increase. So actually, the spread is not so large here – most people don’t really report larger increases than 10, 15, 20%. This is because wealth has some negative effects on life satisfaction (like decreased ability to savor).

On the other hand, even if life satisfaction isn’t increasing, even if mood isn’t increasing, that doesn’t mean happiness isn’t. Money represents different things to different people… because happiness means different things to different people.

“You can enjoy doing a certain activity, and then train yourself to like something else over time. That’s been the story of my life for the past 2-3 years.”

Absolutely. People grossly underestimate their ability to cultivate enjoyment for things they currently hate (a new food, a new hobby, a new job, etc…). And this goes a step forward. People in the middle-ages would never have imagined electrocuted pieces of metal (TVs) giving them happiness. In the future, who can say what we will want and enjoy?

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By: Ludvig Sunström https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-98000 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 06:48:56 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-98000 Wow, quite the comprehensive post you have put together Amit!

I think it’s hard to measure happiness because it’s highly individual, and it also depends on how we train our brains. You can enjoy doing a certain activity, and then train yourself to like something else over time. That’s been the story of my life for the past 2-3 years.

I like completely different things now compared to before.

I also dislike it when people borrow authority by quoting that famous study saying that you don’t get happy by earning money past a certain income level. The reason I don’t like it is because money represents different things to different people.

Ofc I’m not directing this last part specifically towards you!
🙂

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-95083 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:29:17 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-95083 In reply to Lisa Sansom (@LVSConsulting).

Excellent insight, thank you for commenting!

I would imagine that sadness and misery are easier to measure than happiness, only because we’ve been studying them longer and because they have more noticeable effects on a person’s life. But even then, inversion does make sense. How can we claim to objectively measure sadness, when we don’t quiet understand its opposite – happiness.

In the eyes of lay-people, I think the question more is, “Is mass aggregated self-report more accurate than cultural wisdom, intuition, memory based decisions, and the like?” I think the answer is yes, which is why this blog exists! But like Diener, I look forward to improved methods and understanding. Experience sampling is a good start.

Anyhow, happy new year, and thanks for reminding me that I need to watch the movie HAPPY 🙂

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By: Lisa Sansom (@LVSConsulting) https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-90496 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:26:32 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-90496 This reminds me of a quote from Ed Diener in the HAPPY Movie. It was something to the effect of how people told him that it was impossible to measure happiness, yet there were many studies that were measuring sadness and misery. All of the arguments against measuring happiness in this blog post can be inverted and used precisely against measurements of depression, anxiety, and any other number of psychological maladies. The question here is not about measuring happiness (or any other emotional state or psychology trait or whatever) – the question should be “Is self-report the best that psychology can do?” And the answer seems to be, “Right now, yes, but stay tuned…”

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-44131 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:18:09 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-44131 In reply to Gavriel.

Haha, you’re now the fourth person I know from Denmark who has made a comment like that. Thanks for sharing your experience!

It’s not that they claim to be the happiest country, but that there have been global happiness surveys, and that folks in Denmark tend to mark down the highest results (e.g. “How happy are you, from 0 to 10” – folks in Denmark are more likely to mark down 7 or 8, rather than 5 or 6). I think those surveys must be missing something, because like you, I’m skeptical that Denmark is actually the best place to live in the world.

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By: Gavriel https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-42533 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:24:11 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-42533 Really good points. It’s so funny you mention Denmark, I had no idea that they claim to be the happiest country. I am originally from Spain but moved to Denmark a year ago, and I can definitely tell you that people here aren’t as joyful or kind generally, especially in the fall/winter, you won’t see a lot of smiles.

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/measuring-happiness/#comment-41025 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:15:45 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1274#comment-41025 In reply to S Templeton.

Thanks!

Right. If were were just talking about positive emotion, it could be done – we’re got fMRI machines which can more objectively track the rise and fall of emotion. But ultimate happiness? Too complicated. Which is why when an AI programmer tells me that he thinks he knows how to program human values into an AI, I think he’s a little crazy.

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