Comments on: There’s More to Life Than Happiness – But Wanting It is not Stupid or Selfish https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/ Happiness: Backed by Science Tue, 16 Apr 2019 04:09:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.3 By: Brandon https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-655939 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 05:29:13 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-655939 I don’t get any of this. It doesn’t even begin to make sense to me. There’s so many nonsensical assumptions, outright delusions, and tracks of circular reasoning that I wonder if this is just something millennials will “dig”?

You bastardize the meaning of words and rationalize that by falsely claiming that we’re now in a world of excess, where as the reality is the world of excess is fastly coming to an end… your train of thought is off by a couple of generations or so.

It’s pretty bizarre, but that doesn’t much matter, anymore. Bizarre thoughts sell. Meh.

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-145450 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:32:23 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-145450 Wow! I’m impressed that you’re following up on all the references. You must really be trying to learn more about positive psychology!

I’m glad you find them informative and thought-provoking 🙂

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5975 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 00:01:55 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5975 In reply to Amit Amin.

Good for you. I haven’t been as protective, although I certainly should have been.

I’m curious though, why do you say artists, specifically musicians, would benefit from knowing and embracing that message? Are musicians particularly mean people? Do they think that helps with their creativity or image?

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5385 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 04:45:33 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5385 In reply to Steve.

It’s strange, isn’t it? I’ve seen the same shift happen in lots of other people – if happiness is the be all, end all, it shouldn’t matter where it comes from – organic or not. So the question is, are we just being antsy pantsy when we say no to the Happiness Machine, or is there actually more to life than happiness?

I’ve never taken any philosophy classes, but I’ve always seen it as an important question. The past year of my studying positive psychology has made it clear – the happiest folks on earth are master meditators, so if my one and only goal is happiness, that’s the path I should pursue. But I do want more – I want to make the world a better place, and I don’t think I can do that as a meditator. What about you? Do you know why you would prefer happiness to happen organically?

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By: Steve https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5274 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:45:24 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5274 Wow, I understand your anger to the article once I got the section on the pursuit of happiness being selfish and stupid. That seems over the top. But you could say that in some circumstances, some people do take the pursuit of happiness that far. Some people probably are selfish in their pursuit of happiness. Of course, those are individual people. The pursuit of happiness itself isn’t selfish. I don’t think of it as selfish at all. Some actions you take to get there might be selfish, but the goal isn’t selfish.

I like the scenario of the happiness machine you put at the beginning of the post. I read about it in one of my philosophy classes in college. Back then I was on the fence. I could go either way in getting into the machine or not. Now, I wouldn’t do it. I think I just prefer happiness to happen organically.

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5241 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:05:08 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5241 In reply to Gary Korisko.

Thanks Gary!

It’s not just you – I’ve found that in my own life as well. Giving to others lets me also receive more, but just as important, it feels good.

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5240 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:01:18 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5240 In reply to Lori Lynn Smith.

I totally forget about that dimension, and you’re absolutely right – the better you treat yourself, the greater your capacity to give back to others. You’ve probably heard about the fact that happier people make more money. An interesting and often unnoted caveat is that after a certain level of happiness, income starts to decline. That’s because those are the folks who spend the most time giving back to their community. And why not? They’ve got the emotional strength for it.

I’m glad you liked the rant! Thanks!

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5238 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:55:06 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5238 In reply to Priska.

Hi Priska,

That’s a great point. Having looked at the actual studies behind those articles, I’ll say they’re definitely editorializing, but you still bring up a few massive problems. One is that most people who read a happiness book don’t actually make any changes to their life. That should result in a zero change to their life, but because they now have higher expectations for what their life should be, it actually makes them less happy.

Another is that people get too focused, getting caught up as you describe. Yet another is that that focus can backfire – spend too much energy trying to improve x, y, and z and you stop focusing on other important parts of your life.

Yet another is that happiness advice in general is too vague – based off of averages rather than specifics. As you’ve said, what made you happy at one point may not make you happy at another. Happiness science isn’t yet mature enough to discriminate between the nuances of a person’s life. I certainly owe it to my readers to point out all of these problems, and I will. It’s hard to find a balance between rushing forward with what is already known and pulling back in precaution.

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5234 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:42:44 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5234 In reply to Bobbi Emel.

Thanks Bobbi! I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking I’m slowly getting better at this whole blogging thing.

One reason positive psychology excited me in the beginning was because of its claim that investing in others is as much an investment in oneself. My natural personality (and that of most others) inclines me to be generous and compassionate, but for years I was told I needed to be more ‘selfish’. That didn’t work out so well, so I was already starting to get skeptical. It was great when science backed up my intuition – it’s okay to be nice (actually, more than okay, as you’ve pointed out).

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By: Amit Amin https://www.happierhuman.com/happiness-is-not-hedonism/#comment-5233 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:33:39 +0000 http://happierhuman.com/?p=1018#comment-5233 Thanks Patti – I was going for a sort of psychedelic hallucination vibe, seems I got it about right.

To be honest, I’m still oblivious in a million and a half ways. Some days I’m happier than others, and sometimes I know why, but other times I’m as lost as anyone else. Sometimes I can count of science to help me out, but as often I’ve got to rely on self-experimentation.

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